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son. that's good stuff. he gave it away for a better kauchltz he cause. he had been wearing that watch. >> fantastic. i love that story. >> one for both wrists. time for more news in the newsroom with carol costello. >> thanks a lot. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the newsroom, quarantine night. she's contained to a tent, no shower, no flushable toilet. is a 21 day quarantine breaking her constitutional rights? plus heart break in washington. a teen injured in the shooting has died from her injuries. this as we hear tales of heroism. the teacher rushing the gunman in the moment.
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and a syrian hot spot in kobaco ban. let's talk live in the newsroom. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. kaci hickox is held under mandatory quarantine at a new jersey hospital. she does not have ebola, does not have a fever. she tested negative twice for ebola. in the exclusive interview with cnn, she says her basic human rights have been violated. >> i understand that people feel like they have a risk, and i think we can have a conversation about what further measures might look like. i think this is an extreme that is really unacceptable.
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i feel like my basic human rights have been violated. >> i understand mrs. hickox is uncomfortable and doesn't want to be quarantined. my greater responsibility is 8 million people in new jersey. if we get to the point she's no longer an issue or risk factor, then we'll move from there. >> more from hickox in a few minutes. first the panic and policy ever changing around the demand. elizabeth cohen is here with more. good morning. >> one fight of this controversy says we're trying to protect the public and need quarantines. the other side says look, when people aren't sick, they can't possibly get other people sick. why do we have quarantines? >> the governors of new york and new jersey offering clarification on their day's old
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policy on ebola quarantining. under the guidelines, health care workers returning from treating ebola patients in west africa will remain quarantined for mandatory 21 days. residents of the states can stay inside their homes. in addition, those traveling from ebola hot zones that haven't come in contact with patients will be actively monitored. for nurse kaci hickox, isolated three days by the state of new jersey, the policy has been a nightmare. i spoke to her on the phone. >> i don't think people understand what it's like to be alone in a tent and know there's nothing wrong with you and decisions are being made that don't make sense. >> hickox was quarantined inside this tent after she arrived at the airport from treating patients in sierra leone. she currently shows no symptom tos of the virus and tested negative for ebola twice. >> my first and foremost
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obligation is protect the public health and safety of new jersey people. >> some blasted the decision which says this takes health care workers from detaining the virus abroad. >> this hero was treated with disrespect. >> hickox's lawyers are fighting for her immediate release. >> we believe that policy infringes on the constitutional liberty interests. >> currently officials are imposing is mandatory policies in three states, new york, new jersey and illinois. the policy was abruptly interrupted friday after new york doctor craig spencer was diagnosed with ebola after treating patients in guinea. >> some say we're being too cautious. i'll take that criticism. >> a federal official says the cdc was surprised by the mandate but acknowledges officials have the authority to set policies.
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>> now a 5-year-old boy is evaluated for ebola at bellevue hospital in new york city. we spoke to the doctor who's the head of the new york city health and hospitals corporation. he said we think this is low risk. it duoesn't appear this boy had contact with anyone with ebola. he does have a fever. >> why don't they say they're testing him? >> they're not testing him. they're trying to figure out did he have exposure to anyone with ebola. once they figure that out further, they might test him. they proceed more slowly than you think. you may think he was in guinea, hey let's test him. they want to know if he had exposure before we test him. that's the way they do hit. >> all right. many thanks to you. more now from cnn exclusive interview with kaci hickox. >> i've spent a month in sierra leone. when i arrived at the airport in
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new ark i of course presented my paperwork to the immigration officials and told him that i had been in sierra leone. i verbally declared it as well as writing it in the documentation. he said they'll have a couple of questions. many people asked me questions. a lot of questions were repetitive. i was surprised that i saw people writing in the margins of paperwork which showed obviously they weren't prepared to really capture all information they thought they needed. >> once you got to the hospital, what happened? >> they tested my blood. it was negative. they also confirmed it was negative. there have been reports of me having a fever in the airport, but i truly believe that it was an instrument error. they were using the forehead
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scanner. i was obviously distressed and a bit upset. my cheeks were flushed. i think there has been evidence that machine is not accurate in these situations. when i arrived in the isolation unit, they took my temperature orally and it was completely normal. it has been completely normal. i heard from my mother last night who called me concerned and said governor christie said in an interview you were quote, unquote obviously ill. this is so frustrating to me. first of all, i don't think he's a doctor. secondly, he's never laid eyes on me. thirdly, i have been a symptomatic since i've been here. i feel physically completely strong and emotionally completely exhausted. for him to say i'm obviously ill. what does that mean? someone define that for me. i don't understand what obviously ill means.
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i'm here to tell you i am completely fine physically and being held here is just -- i don't understand. it's really inhumane. i just came back from one of the most difficult months of my life. i am complete ly -- no one know if i'll develop ebola or not in the next 21 days. most aid works that come back will not develop ebola. to quarantine everyone in case, when you cannot predict who may develop ebola or not. to make me stay 21 days, not be with my family, put me through this emotional and physical stress is completely unacceptable. >> kaci, one of the things we have learned from talking to experts in the many weeks is there's no such thing as no risk. you can get pretty close.
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i think as a health care worker, sure there's a low risk that perhaps you might be carrying, might at some point be carrying the ebola virus that has not yet manifested in your body. is it worth it to keep new jersey residents out of any kind of risk to keep you 21 days in quarantine? >> there's no such thing as no risk. when considering this issue, we also have to balance what your putting the health care workers through and how evidence based your approach is. for instance, are you then going to quarantine all of the health care workers looking after health care workers who have been to an ebola affected area. couldn't they also have risk
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because they're taking care of the ebola contact? it's a slippery slope. my frustration is that it's not current science based. it's not a found public health decision. i think many experts in the field have come out and agreed with me. i think we need to stress the fact we don't need politicians to make these decisions. we need public health experts to make these decisions. there always needs to be a balance because i also want to be treated with compassion and humanity. i don't feel i have been treat had the way the past three days. >> all right. in a text this morning to cnn, nurse hickox gave an update on her health. she texted us. as far as i know my fantastic infectious disease doctor here did not recommend i be retested. he implied that the new jersey doh would make the final
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decision. let's talk about that and more. david sanders, associate professor at purdue university. he has studied ebola the last decade. welcome sir. >> thank you. >> so it sounds to me like nurse hickox's doctor says you don't need to be retested but the new jersey department of health is is trumping him. >> i really can't evaluate it. i have that statement from her. the decisions that have been made by the governors seem to be largely political rather than ones based upon medicine. i think that's what we need to keep foremost in mind. when we talk about quarantines in the past, they normally have been of people who are actually infected, rather than people who are potentially infected because of contact. again, it is a political decision. you have to consider also the fact that if there is an
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infected patient, there has to be contact tracing and so on. they may be trying to prevent that from happening later on. it really does seem this is an excessive policy. i believe that it's moving in the opposite direction. >> here's what doesn't make much sense. there's a doctor being treated. he has ebola, being treated by drs. here in new york city. as far as i know they're going home to families when off work, relating to public and going to restaurants. why aren't they being quarantined. >> that's an excellent question. they are not being quarantined. they are going to be under observation. that is something that is part of our current health care regimen is that people who are health care workers working with him will be monitored. they're not on quarantine. as i said, it's a political decision. it's not my decision. it's not the decision that is required by the medical evidence. >> let's talk about it being a
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political position. these governors really are in a tough spot. dr. craig spencer came down with ebola, traveled on the subways, went bowling, ate at a meat ball restaurant. city officials had to go back and retrace every step to calm the public down. that's not easy. it's expensive for taxpayers. of why not issue some kind of quarantine if doctors won't do it themselves? >> i fully agree that's the major issue. talking about one of reassuring the public, one of resources. i mean, i think every health care worker that comes in contact a patient should be aware they could be potentially infected. they should probably not be out in the public. i can't make that decision for them. i'm not sure we should enforce that decision. once again, the very important point is you do not transmit it. there's no evidence of
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transmission before visible symptoms. that's something. most of the transmission curse late in the progress of the disease. so it's not just a matter of well, because you happen to work with somebody, therefore you should be quarantined and chance you're transferring it to somebody is large and real. it really isn't. so we have to take all of those things into account. would it be a good precaution for people who have been in contact with a infected patient to reduce their contact with the public not to do some of those activities? i would say that would be the prudent thing. i don't think necessarily at this time, given what we know this is something that should be imposed by the law. it's a political decision. it's not ultimately a medical decision. >> dr. david sanders. thanks for being with me this morning. i appreciate it. still to come in the newsroom, a second student has died as the result of friday's shooting at a
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absolutely heartbreaking news out of marysville washington overnight. hospital officials confirm another high school student has died as a result of friday shooting in the cafeteria. three others remain in the hospital. a moment of silence set for 10:39 local time when the shooting occurred. grieving parents, students and community people met last night. dan is there.
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>> reporter: good morning carol. the school is closed for the entire week. when it reopens it's not clear if students will ever eat lunch in the cafeteria again where that shooting occurred. no shooting at a school of course, can't make sense of it. this is really perplexing because the shooter targeted friends and cousins. breaking overnight, a second victim, gia soriae soriano dei of her injuries. her family released this statement. in an emotional tribal song to mourn for a grieving community trying to heal. >> families are hurting really bad right now looking for answers. answers that might not exist for
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us. >> many still asking why this popular teen would target his best friends and own family. it was friday morning when freshman jaylen fryburg entered the cafeteria, walked up to a table where two cousins were sitting with friends and opened tire with a .40 caliber handgun. >> he came up from behind and fired six bullets into the backs of them. >> three others remain hospitalized in intensive care. shaylee chuckulnaskit, andrew fryberg and nate hatch. zoe galasso was the first victim to die. >> teacher is held as a hero. the first year social studies teacher ran towards gunfire and confronted the shooter. >> she grabbed him. >> moments later he is died of
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apparent suicide. exactly why this happened is unclear. the daily news reporting saying jaylen targeted the group after he was scorned by a love interest that chose a cousin over him. the victim was dating andrew fry berg, the shooter's cousin. >> they were great friends. are there's no explanation. he snapped for whatever reason. >> recently elected homecoming prince, he was a well liked student. on twitter he had a darker personality. i know it seems i'm sweth it off but i'm not and will never be able to. one day before attack, it won't last. it will never last. >> carol, we're getting additional details about the final moments in the school cafeteria. a law enforcement source telling cnn that the shooter attempted to reload his weapon but he was having problems because his hands were shaking.
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cnn has obtained exclusive video of the latest fighting inside co ban. the deadly battle for control over the key city in northern syria. so far today the united states has conducted four air strikes in syria and seven in iraq according to central demand. while images of mushroom clouds
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and violent clashes have become the expected in northern syria, ivan watson crossed into the war attorney country to speak to jordan mathson. he's an american and former u.s. soldier from a small town ins with -- town in wisconsin. ivan joins me now from iraq. good morning. >> reporter: good morning carol. there's been so much attention on stories of westerners who flocked to join the isis jihadi movement. the civil war has been attracting westerners to other groups fighting in this civil war. we travelled to kurdish controlled northern syria the to meet one american who has joined along side a kurdish militia. take a look. >> armed men are a common site in kurdish controlled northern
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syria, a country embroiled in a vicious civil war. one of the men in this truck is not like the others. >> what do people say when they realize you're from the u.s.? >> they ask me to come over for dinner and stay at their house. >> jordan is a 28-year-old former u.s. army soldier from wisconsin. for the last month, he's also been a volunteer fighter in the kurdish militia known here as the ypg. >> i got in contact with the ypg on facebook, soul searched and said is this what i want to do? eventually decided to do it. >> soon after arriving here in syria, he says he ended up in a battle against isis. >> the second day i got hit by a mortar. >> while recovering from wounds, he went to work online
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recruiting more foreigners to help the ypg fight against isis. >> i've had some from eastern europe, western europe, canada, u.s., australia. >> how he lives in places like this former restaurant converted to a militia a camp. >> what are pictures? >> guys that have died fights against isis. >> ypg are lightly armed gorillas. >> basically people are running into battle without armor? >> yes. >> and wearing sneakers half the time? >> yes. combat adidas. >> u.s. law enforcement officials say it's illegal for an american to join a syrian militia. matson says being here, fighting isis along side the kurds is a dream come true. >> all my life i wanted to be a soldier growing up.
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i'm at peace being here. >> carol, jordan told me there are at least three other americans also fighting along side the kurdish ypg rebels. now every conflict i've been to has attracted a bizarre mix of adventurers, idealists, mercenaries, misfits as well as. syria is proving to be no exception. i asked matson, is there anything you miss about back home in the u.s.? he said hamburgers, toilets, rock-n-roll. back to you carol. >> is he aware he could become a target that isis might want to kidnap him because he's american? >> reporter: absolutely. the videos of westerners being beheaded by isis militants have gone around the world. he's very much aware of that. i asked him, what prompted you to come out here? he said it was the fall of an
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iraqi city to isis last june. he said he couldn't stand by and see a city that u.s. troops had fought and died for fall into the hands of isis. somehow instead of going to iraq, he ended up in syria. he rational xized it saying well it's another front in this war against isis. he didn't know much about the kurds before coming but he now speaks with the passion a. he defends the kurds, people he says have been persecuted generations. >> reporting live from iraq, thank you. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. the quarantined nurse in new jersey does not believe she will be tested again for ebola at least today. in a text to cnn, kaci hickox says that decision is up to the
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new jersey department of health not her doctor. this picture was taken by her lawyer. she makes it clear she wants to go home. >> to make me stay 21 days, to not be with my family. to put me through this emotional and physical stress is completely unacceptable. >> if the new jersey department of health won't release hickoxs, her lawyers hope the courts will. they plan to file a motion asking for mandatory quarantine to be lifted. alexander field is live outside the hospital in new ark where hickox is quarantined. tell us more. >> reporter: hey carol. hickox said over and over she believes her rights are being violated. she's kept in a tent at the hospital with a portable toilet and no shower. her lawyers have spoke ton doctors and see no medical reason for her to be held. >> we believe medically speaking
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there's no reason for the state of new jersey to keep her quarantined. we believe that policy enfringes on the constitutional liberty interests of mrs. hickox. we think that the policy is overly broad. what i mean by that, it sweeps in. people do not meet the criteria for being quarantined. >> kaci hickox arrived here at airport. she had been treating ebola patients in sierra leone. she was taken to the university hospital in new ark where she's been in isolation. yesterday kaci's lawyers say they were able to speak to her through a plastic window. they spent an hour and 15 minutes before proceeding how to move forward and take this issue to court carol. >> she's from maine which is why she's under the mandatory quarantine in new jersey what is
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governor christie saying this morning? >> reporter: he has been speaking out. he said he knows she's uncomfortable and apologizes. he believes that the best interest of the people of new jersey is most important to him. he has again underlined this policy which was announced just on friday. he has said that in a case where there is somebody that returns from an ebola infected area, there will be a mandatory 21 day quarantine. if you're a resident of new jersey you would be quarantined at home. if not a resident of new jersey you would be quarantined otherwise. it's up to officials here to determine where that would happen. in this case it's happening to this nurse's discontent at university hospital. >> alexander field reporting live this morning. thank you. this just in to cnn. the 5-year-old boy we were telling you about. he is now in isolation and is being tested for ebola at new
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york city bellevue hospital after he and his family returned from guinea. we just got a statement from the hospital confirming the boy is being tested because of recent travel history and pattern of symptoms. results are expected in 12 hours. we'll keep you posted. still to come in the newsroom, quarantined health care workers back from west africa even if they have no ebola symptoms whatsoever. an expert says that's just wrong. eeeeeeeeee financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise
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okay so all morning long we've been telling you about the nurse kaci hickox under this mandatory quarantine in a tent outside a new jersey hospital because she was treating pati t patients in we have. she was taken to the tent for quarantine. now we understand from the officer of new jersey. i'm going to read the report. since testing negative for ebola, the patient has been symptom free the last 24 hours. as a result and after being evaluated and in coordination with the cdc and cli nations at university hospital, the patient is being discharged. since the patient had direct individuals -- bla bla bla.
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she's discharged from the new jersey hospital and taken by private ambulance back to her home in maine. i have art cap lynn, the director of medical ethics with me. i'm glad you're here. what do you make of this? >> i think it shows us that quarantine is a pretty tough stance to take with ebola. look, ebola is hard to get. fear is those get. cuomo, christie, governor of florida, state of illinois, even connecticut. they've all been saying we better quarantine people that have may have had contact with folks with ebola. kaci says you've tested me. i don't have the virus in my blood. why are you keeping me in a. if she had sued she would have won. there's no way they would have held her. i think she's making the point quarantine is not our best weapon here. what's our best weapon, trust
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the health care professionals. we could advise them to stay at home not like dr. spencer that went bowling. unless you had sex with him at the bowling alley, you weren't going to get ebola. let's trust people to do the right thing. >> she's transported by private ambulance back to her home in maine. she is from maine. she had to come to the new jersey airport. there's only five that will accept people that treated people with ebola in west africa. i'm curious what might happen to her in maine. will they set her free? >> i think she will roam the woods and meet the bears. she's not going to do anything other than stay in her home. she'll probably take her temperature twice a day to make sure nothing is happening. if she feels ill, i presume she's going to show up at a hospital in maine that is properly rained to deal with it or they're going to send the private ambulance back to
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bellevue or new ark and there she goes. quarantine, people get nervous and say we better lock these people up. it works to the extent to which people cooperate. if we had 100 people in quarantine and they don't want to be there, they're going to sneak out the doors. we need them to cooperate. >> dr. spencer now in the hospital being treated for ebola by doctors that go home at night who i presume go out to restaurants. why haven't they been placed under voluntary quarantine? >> that's the question of the day. they're at highest risk. they're with an active ebola patient. we know they have trained at the hospital. they've got the equipment, know what to do. people put their faith in doctors that should they get sick, they're not idiots. the they're going to come out and say i have a problem. then you do contact tracing.
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best policy for us now, let's stop the political postering about quarantine and start to rely on health care workers to self-monitor. i don't mind telling them to stay home, giving them nice thermometers to take their temperature, giving them advice not to scare people. it keeps public trust in place. stay home, feed the bear, whatever you do in maine. going to quarantine -- if you show pictures of people in a tent at the new ark airport, no one is going to africa to fight this disease. you're going to lose the trust of health care workers. they know that's not consistent with science. we want to keep them supportive in the war against ebola if we're going to isolate and try to say don't roam the streets. give them pay, don't ask them to spend 21 days with no money coming in. you've got to set this up so it's a carrot, not a stick.
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>> i appreciate you being here. again, nurse hickox being transferred out i guess from the new jersey hospital. she's going to be taken by private ambulance back to her home in maine. after that, we don't know what happens. we'll find out. more information for you after break. great rates and safety working in harmony. open an optimizer plus account from synchrony bank. service. security. savings. synchrony bank engage with us.
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in ottawa, canada, police say the man that carried out the attack last week made a video of himself shortly before he shot is and killed a soldier in cold blood. the video has not been released but police say the shooter was driven by idea logical and political motives. he was killed after he stormed the memorial building with a vintage hunting rifle. authorities are looking into whether he acted alone or had help. some lawmakers like in indiana are criticizing drastic change to the way the nsa operates. he worries a senate bill to curb the power will endanger the country. senator patrick of vermont disagrees.
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his bill would require the government to be more specific about which records it wants narrowing down requests by that i means and addresses instead of entire cities and zip codes. nsa could have to show how information it wants the linked to a foreign terrorists. the government could be forced to disclose how much data it actually collects. right now the government could lay out the case before these judges without any opposing viewpoint. with me now, republican senator dan coats of indiana. good morning sir. >> good morning. >> welcome. i'm glad you're here. >> thank you. >> senator leahy bill would prevent collecting phone data from entire cities. he wants to focus on those actually suspected. what's wrong with that in your mind? >> we're both trying to strike a balance between protecting
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american's privacy which needs to be protected and constitutionally protected and having the schools necessary to identify those who want to kill americans and use terrorists attacks to do so. this out of the post 911 committee is a program that is effectively stopped a number of terrorist attacks. it doesn't listen to phone calls. it identifies a phone call made to a known terrorist. that comes up to the computer, oh we ought to look at this. they have to take it to a judge to get approval to do so. it's just like saying we have suspicion about this person collecting guns or making bombs in his home or basement. they go to a judge to get a search warrant to search to see if that's true. that's what this program does. >> it's not exactly like that because the nsa has the ability to hear something, right?
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you know, in space. they collect all this data and then go through and collect all this without a warrant right? >> no. they have the ability to match a phone number to a phone number that is known to be a part of a terrorist organization or held by someone who is identified as a foreign intelligence person. this has nothing to do with things that happened in america where the lone wolf makes a decision to do something not connected to a terrorist organization. a foreign terrorist organization. only then, they cannot get the content until it's taken to a judge and get approval to look at it and search to see if something bad is going on. we're trying to balance the privacy. not listening to anyone's phone calls. it would take 300 million people to listen to billions of phone calls made everyday. we have no interest in that whatsoever. we want to know if a phone number is calling a foreign terrorist in a foreign country
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that may be plotting to do harm in the united states. we need these tools. this has more oversight than any program. the intelligence committee, those in which i serve, those of us get up everyday and look at terrorists threats, know the american people want us to do everything we can to prevent this from happening. another 9-11 or something worse. >> in fairness, the way the nsa operates, it didn't stop the growth of isis. that already happened. it didn't stop americans from being beheaded. so senator leahy might argue there's evidence that collecting all of this data doesn't help any way. >> look, we use our u.s. military and military forces to stop what isis is trying to do overseas. this program is designed to stop terrorist attacks against -- attacks from americans here in the united states. it has the most oversight,
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executive branch, judicial branch of goes too far. i think we must protect the the american people and we think our bill is superior. >> senator dan coates, thanks for being with me this morning. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. .
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u.s. and uk flags lowered for the last time at a key base in afghanistan's helmand province, handing control over to afghan security forces. the ceremony marks the end of 13 years of uk military operations in the war-torn country. u.s. forces are winding down but will remain in afghanistan. in total, 2,349 u.s. troops have died to date. 453 uk troops died fighting in afghanistan. barbara starr joins us live from the pentagon with more. tell us more about what this
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means. this is a real marker for both american and british troops in this 13-year war in afghanistan. i've been to these bases in helmand province in southern afghanistan. they were massive. thousands of troops i airfields running around the clock, troops going out on patrol, camp leather neck for the u.s. marines. camp bastian for british forces and britain's prince harry served his second tour of duty in afghanistan at camp bastion. this is a real marker in the winddown of the operations in afghanistan. the british now fully out of combat missions. the u.s. drawing down to about 10,000 troops or so in the coming years and the plan, at least, is to be fully out by 2016. but look, carol, when we see what's going on in iraq with the withdrawal of coalition troops there, raising a lot of questions about afghanistan, will the afghan forces fare better in maintaining security in that country? will they be able to hold on to
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the gains? the taliban still a very strong presence in so many areas of that country. carol? >> barbara starr reporting live from pentagon. thanks so much. the next hour of cnn newsroom after a break. are the largest targets in the world, for every hacker, crook and nuisance in the world. but systems policed by hp's cyber security team are constantly monitored for threats. outside and in. that's why hp reports and helps neutralize more intrusions than anyone... in the world. if hp security solutions can help keep the world's largest organizations safe, they can keep yours safe, too. make it matter.
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good morning, i'm carol costello, thank you so much for joining me. we begin with two big breaking news stories. first, in the past 30 minutes, we've learned the nurse casey hickox under mandatory quarantine at a new jersey hospital, she'll get to go home soon to maine. she spent the week end in
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isolation despite testing negative for ebola twice after returning home from west africa where she was helping fight the deadly disease. alexandra field joins us from newark outside of the hospital. hickox will leave soon so this doesn't mean her quarantine is lifted, it means she'll be transported by private ambulance to maine, correct. >> she to be hold by hospital officials she would be kept here for the quarantine period but she consulted attorneys, they were pushing for her release and now the energy department of health is saying she will be released from the hospital. however, while she is in the state of new jersey, if quarantine order remains in place, that's why she's being taken privately back to maine. this also means maine has to deal with the issue of ebola and what their policies and procedures would be. this nurse has tested negative twice. they say she's been symptom free since she was tested saturday morning but it will be up to officials in her home state of


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